According to the NJ Record, an angry mob 300 strong stormed the main area of the Carnival Miracle this week seeking cash and chanting “refund, refund” — furious that their eight-day Caribbean jaunt was instead taking a 1,300-mile detour to Newport, R.I. Miracle left New York City Aug. 29, and had to be rerouted because of Tropical Storm Hanna.
I second what one passenger said, “I was very embarrassed to live in the metro area,” because most of those aboard are from the New York/New Jersey area. Like the majority of Carnival Miracle’s passengers, she knew the ship’s Captain had to avoid ports where servere weather made it dangerous to stop.
However, this obscene behavior isn’t limited to New Yorkers: there have been other instances when weather or mechanical glitches have necessitated changing ports resulting in small number of passengers making very vocal demands. And it’s important to realize, that, prior to 2006 passengers never ganged up and demanded refunds because ports were changed or cancelled.
In January, 2006, on a 38-day voyage between Europe and South America, Queen Mary 2 developed a shudder shortly after departing Fort Lauderdale which indicated there was a mechanical problem . Because the ship had to sail at a reduced speed, the Captain decided to cancel a stop in Barbados during the 12-day Florida-to-Rio de Janeiro segment in order to reach Rio on schedule.
A handful of passengers gathered together and began emailing friends and journalists all over the world to report that they had were very unhappy about the Captain’s decision. Hey, Queen Mary 2 is a famous ship, so the world’s media jumped on the story. TV and newspaper reports claimed there was a passenger mutiny aboard QM 2, which was far from the truth. Princess Cruises, parent company of Cunard Line, caved in to the barrage of media attention and announced that all Queen Mary 2 passengers would get a full refund.
When I wrote a column and said I thought Princess made a huge mistake in giving full refunds I was blasted for “being on the side of the cruise lines”. My argument was that it would set an erroneous example for the rest of the industry, which is exactly what happened.
You see, your passenger ticket clearly states that the ship’s Captain can skip or substitute a port FOR ANY REASON. When you accept your cruise ticket you’ve agreed to the terms. In the case of Carnival Miracle, changed ports to avoid a monstrous tropical storm. At the minimum, passengers would have been violently ill from seasickness brought on by high seas and wind. Ships don’t stay in port during major storms because the vessel can be damaged by being slammed into the port.
If you can’t handle the legal terms, don’t take a cruise.
The group of angry cruisers aboard Carnival Miracle was after money and fortunately Carnival Cruise Lines didn’t cave in. When a ship substitutes new ports because of weather, passengers aren’t entitled to a refund.
Perhaps I’m out of touch, but it seems that only cruise ship passengers act like three year olds when the weather doesn’t deliver their anticipated vacation. Does anyone blame hotels and resorts when weather affects their vacation? Should a LaGuardia-bound flight be diverted to Boston because New York is fogged in, passengers will blame the true culprit, the weather.
Has your cruise ever been affected by bad weather? How did passengers react?
10 September
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7 Comments RANT: Carnival Passengers up in Arms over Hurricane Deviations
Theresa
September 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
1I agree 100%. I was sailing during Dean last year and we changed our itinerary. Same sense of entitlement by passengers who have no sense and don’t read the terms of passage.
Best one was when we were in Dominica and it rained. Two passengers demanded a refund for their shore excursion and the cruise. Nobody told them that it would rain in Dominica. Rainforest mean anything?
I would have been frightened to be onboard with passengers creating a mob scene to demand their refunds because of weather deviations. Did they want to sail through a hurricane and put themselves and others in danger?
I thought that Carnival was more than generous with the compensation/credits that they offered. They didn’t have to do that.
admin
September 10th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
2I assume these complaining passengers have never been seasick, which is one of the worst experiences in life. First you think you’re dying, then you hope you’re dying!
KC
September 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
3We had rough seas on route to Cartegena last year …a lady fell & broke a bone in her leg…she was put on bed rest for the remainder of her cruise (after a visit to the hospital on shore of course)
Most people just got on with it, lots we a little green but we survived.
Even the hurt passenger was back this year for the same cruise
KC
September 10th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
4IMHO
I think those disruptive passengers should be sued for ruining the cruise for the others onboard.
MB
September 11th, 2008 at 9:14 am
5Carnival rescheduled the Miracle stops and made the announcement the first full day aboard ship that they were sending the ship to where The National Weather Service map of the storm (displayed in The Miracle Lobby) was due to hit. I was on the ship, never saw or heard the “mutiny”. I did hear a lot of people confused about why we were going to The Bahamas since Tropical Storm/Hurricane was then projected to be there the same time that the ship was on its new itinerary. There was very poor customer service. Many went to the purser’s desk to understand this immediate concern that the cruise was in jeopardy unless Carnival made some other timely port possibilities available before they were taken by other ships seeking to revamp their passengers. Carnival should have provided information to squelch the brew of discontent onboard. Planned better because indeed Nassau was then not possible and Bermuda ports full, hence, late afternoon of Nassau was the surprise announcement of Newport, Rhode Island
Most onboard spent unnecessary money on the very slow ship internet to get weather reports, or info on unexpected ports. All of which Carnival refused to provide. (They said they give weather reports the morning of the day in question). Their onboard television news is emanting from, of all places, Denver, Colorado.
Frankly, if you saw the line of people embarking on the cruise, you would understand why out of control behavior was a good possibility, itinerary changes or not.
Richard
September 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
6To whom it may concern
I was one of the many unfortunate passengers to have sailed out of Galveston, Sept. 11, on the ship Ecstasy. I have waited until now to express my frustrations and concerns over the events before, during and after this cruise. Let me start by saying that my family (4 members) have sailed on five previous Carnival cruises in the last 6 years. We have never cruised with any of your competitors so I have no way of comparing your company to any of the other cruise lines. I do however know how business should be conducted to eliminate confusion and avoid discontent with customers. Much of the issues we endured on this cruise could have been avoided if we had purchased cruise insurance and with that I take full responsibility. But since we did not, my wife and I traveled by car from Dallas the morning of Sept.11. We stayed in constant contact with Carnival by phone anticipating that we would get notice of cancellation of the cruise since Galveston was under mandatory evacuation. On our last call at 10:45 we did get notice that the itinerary had changed to Veracruz. Little did I know that this was my opportunity to cancel per your 24 hour itinerary change policy (with full refund) which was not mentioned in the conversation with Carnival? (I read the fine print later) I also find it interesting that at the port checking in you supply a very nice letter apologizing for the itinerary change but again nothing is mentioned about our rights to cancel. We finally arrived at the port at 11:30, at 12:00 the road leading into Galveston was closed and we as so many others were now committed to parking our vehicles or joining the thousands of evacuees fleeing the island. Again, this was our decision. At this point we boarded the ship, along with 16 other people in our group, and proceeded to have our usual Carnival cruise experience. There were minor issues, as always, that were addressed as the cruise progressed. As the days went by much of the focus turned to the news coverage of Hurricane Ike and what was happening on Galveston Island. But then our spirits were lifted when we ported in Veracruz. NOT! Very disappointing. Definitely not Cozumel or Cancun. We actually got off the boat for an hour…..shortest excursion we have ever taken. After we left here the fun really began. We knew that we would probably not be returning to Galveston and that we would most likely be at sea another day. Passengers were asked to attend an information session where questions could be asked. “Goose” the Cruise Director was Carnivals “sacrificial lamb”, of which I actually commend him, that informed us of the plans to dock in New Orleans at 2:00 on Tuesday, Sept. 16. Of course the situation was tense and for the first time on any cruise I saw security on a cruise ship in mass. I also found it interesting that there was security in the nightclubs each night after this meeting and I had never seen this before. Now, most businesses plan ahead for most issues that might happen. Carnival dropped the ball here. As questions were asked about free room phone and computer usage for the passengers we were told Carnival would cover the cost. My question is why did we have to suggest it? The phone usage was useless… compare 2,000 people trying to use a single pay phone. We tried consistently for 24 hours and never were able to make a single call. As for the 6 available computers ( there was a limit of 30 minutes (understandable) and if even 25% of the people on board wanted access it would have taken a couple of days of nonstop use (I did the math) for everyone to have access. Thus the long endless lines ensued. It almost seems as if we stayed at sea another day just to allow people time to do all of the above (I know that is all we did). Tuesday morning arrives and we had been told we would arrive earlier and that we would dock at 1:00 (changed from original 2:00). We are well versed in your debarkation strategy but with the extreme tension on the boat many people chose to ignore this and the Atrium area began filling up with passengers as early as noon. We ourselves joined the crowd at 1:00 but also had noticed that the ship was still moving and not ready to port at the suggested time. By the time 2:00 arrived the boat finally docked and “Goose” announced that the Port Authority needed give the okay for us to leave. By this time the Atrium was full of passengers and they had not made the first call for debarkation. Many passengers with tag #’s of early debarkation areas were visibly upset at other passengers for being ahead of them in line. There was ONE employee (one of the show dancers) that was trying to defuse every situation that erupted. A ratio 1 to 300 possibly. Again, not a good business model to follow. After 3 more announcements that it would be just a few more “moments” at 2:30 the doors opened and the exodus began. Immediately a fight broke out between two women (this was anticipated by us based on conversations and the mood in line) and security came running with tazers blaring. Just the scene I am sure my fellow group members with their 3 year old twins wanted to see to end their first and probably last cruise. But, at least we made it off the boat but now were faced with the task of getting home to Dallas. After $430 airfare (not anticipated) and much difficulty finding a rental car on our return….most places were out because of evacuees already in Dallas….we finally made it home. It took a few days to find out any information on our vehicles which is understandable considering the magnitude of the devastation but I find it interesting that I could send an e mail to the Port Authority of Galveston on Sept. 17 asking on the condition of the 600 or so cars in their parking lots and they responded back by phone on Sept 19. Amazing since the island was basically without power and their were many other life threatening situations happening on the island at the time. I received no communication from Carnival until Sept. 25 by our booking agent concerning the safety of our return home. Obviously, this was not Carnivals top priority.
So, where do I stand today? Obviously I have lost my vehicle, which has been replaced, paid out a $500 deductible, $430 airfare and approx. $150 in cell phone long distance fees. I can’t begin to describe the stress that we went through on this trip. I do understand that much of this was out of Carnivals control but I refuse to believe that this is the first time this situation has occurred to this company. First hand it looked as if Carnival was “flying by the seat of their pants” before, during and after this cruise. The events, natural and man made, during this cruise have opened my eyes to many things.
1. I will always purchase cruise insurance.( Although this still does not cover everything)
2. Read the fine print and not expect any Cruise line to do the ethical thing and volunteer information.
3. Not base cruises necessarily on price but quality.
4. Do business with cruise lines that anticipate and not just react to issues.
In closing, companies need a wake-up call now and then and in my opinion the alarm went off at Carnival Headquarters on Sept. 11 and they slept thru it. In business “the customer is always right” and on this occasion I think this statement is true. I would expect Carnival to make a generous “goodwill gesture” not only to myself but to many of the other passengers of this ill fated voyage. If not, please accept my thanks for the four previous cruises that we have enjoyed but we definitely will chose another cruise line in the future as I am sure many others will do the same.
Just thought you might want a “taste” of how out of control a cruise can get.
admin
September 30th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
7Richard…….oh, what a dreadful experience! I can’t imagine keeping my composure during the uncertainty.
First of all, this blog is independent and not affiliated with Carnival Cruise Lines. Carnival does have its own blogs (http://carnivalcruiseblog.com) and I suggest that you post this there as well.
Actually, the only other time a cruise line couldn’t dock at the ship’s home port was during Katrina. No cruise line is prepared for something like this and, during a hurricane, I understand that they have to take it on a moment-by-moment basis. Travel insurance would have paid for the unexpected flight and phone calls (I believe phone calls are covered).
Since I wasn’t present I can’t comment on who is right or wrong. The cruise director’s staff (who would be in charge of advising and helping passengers) is pretty small and certainly not equipped to deal with thousands of passengers. The good thing about cruise ships is that they can move away from storms; the bad thing is that all ships are limited in staffing up during something as huge as a storm. They only have what’s available.
Again, I’m so sorry you had to endure such an ordeal.
Anne Campbell, editor
The story on my post refers to another Carnival ship that was affected by weather — in New York.
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